June 7, 2012
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Selling Our Bodies
Prostitution is the oldest trade for women in the world, but that isn’t what I am talking about here. I am talking about selling our organs for cash on the black market. Out of the nearly 70,000 kidney transplants that will happen world wide in the next 12 months, 20 percent of them will be from the black market. People desperate for cash can sell their kidneys not only in the alleys of third world nations, but here in America.
Organ trafficking mostly consists of kidneys, but also of half-livers, eyes, skin and blood, and is flourishing. Most of that trade can be explained by the simple laws of supply and demand. Increasing life spans, better diagnosis of kidney failure and improved surgeries that can be safely performed on even the riskiest of patients have spurred unprecedented demand for human organs. In America, the number of people in need of a transplant has nearly tripled during the past decade, topping 100,000 for the first time last October. But despite numerous media campaigns urging more people to mark the backs of their driver’s licenses, the number of traditional (deceased) organ donors has barely budged, hovering between 5,000 and 8,000 per year for the last 15 years.
It has been shown that the organ from a live patient is going to keep you alive twice as long as one from a cadaver and you no longer need a family member to offer the donation thanks to new, powerful anti-rejection medication.
There is a debate on whether or not we should create a legal market for organ selling. Here is an argument I found for organ selling:
Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who received a kidney from a friend in 2006, says:“Despite decades and decades of public education about the virtues of organ donation, the waiting list just gets longer, and the time to transplantation just gets longer. … It’s past time to face the fact that altruism is just not enough. Many people need more of an incentive to give. And that’s why we need to be able to compensate people who are willing to give a kidney to a stranger, to save a life. … We are not talking about a classic commercial free-for-all, or a free market, or an eBay system. We’re talking about a third-party payer. For example, today you could decide to give a kidney. You’d be called a Good Samaritan donor. … The only difference in a model that I’m thinking about is where you go and give your organ, and your retirement account is wired $40,000, end of story.”
Here is one I found against organ selling:
David Rothman, professor of social medicine at Columbia University and director of the Center on Medicine as a Profession, says: ”What this is really about is the sale of organs from living donors. … There are very, very good reasons — many drawn from behavioral economics, some drawn from past experience — that suggest that, in fact, to create a market might diminish the supply, not increase it. In the first instance, if I can buy it why should I give it?… In England, where the sale of blood was not allowed, rates of donation were considerably higher than the U.S., where the sale of blood was allowed.”
In black market overseas organ trafficking, people do not have the option of backing out after they have agreed to sell an organ. Dorin Razlog, a shepherd with an eighth-grade education who lives in Ghincauti, says recruiters for a trafficking ring told him cash for a kidney would lift him out of poverty. After doctors in Istanbul cut out the organ in August 2002, they paid him $7,000 — $3,000 less than they’d offered. Of that, $2,500 was in counterfeit bills, he said.
“They told me they would send people to destroy my house and kill my family if I went to the police,” Razlog, 30, says. Today, the money is long gone, and he sleeps on a musty mattress inside the rusting hulk of an abandoned Russian van next to a pigsty. At the end of some days, Razlog says, he’s writhing from pain in his remaining kidney.
“The only way out is death,” he says.
I am an organ donor on my driver’s license. Many people I know will not mark a yes for fear of not receiving life saving care in the hospital if they mark yes. They fear insurance companies, surgeons, and hospital administrations. Robin Cook does not help that fear with his medical thrillers about organ donation. I dated a transplant surgeon once with a very dark sense of humor. His solution was to make every motorcycle rider a mandatory donor, as that is where a bulk of his transplants came from.
This is a topic I am completely unsure of where I stand. Completely and totally undecided, which is rare. I usually sway one way or the other, but this time I am more interested in hearing what other people think. On one hand, it’s a needed commodity and legalizing will make it safer and take it away from the criminals. On the other, it’s exploiting poor people to sell their health for a financial gain that may not help them long term. I don’t know. Do you think the market for selling organs should be legal?
Comments (86)
You always post such interesting topics.
I think that people should be allowed to sell their organs if they want. More people might actually get their organs in time. I also think that it’s particularly sick to make it illegal to buy something that will save your life, that the other person wants to give. There would still be people who would be organ donors upon their deaths, which would be the ones supplying the people who still have to wait because they can’t afford to pay $40,000 or however much it would cost- but the ones who could afford it would not be clogging up the lists anymore. I think everyone would get their organs faster, and more people would be saved.
This should be an interesting comment thread. Nicely written.
There are ways around it, so the legal system should really work something out. You cannot “buy” organs, but you can make generous donations.
I don’t know if I would sell mine but if a family member needed a kidney & I was a match, I would seriously think about giving one up… But even then that makes me nervous.
Maybe I’m selfish? LOL
Another data point to consider is a recent news article that has a surgeon proposing to remove kidneys prior to a persons actual death if death is deemed to be imminent: http://abcn.ws/KAlu1W
This would make me very worried on who is making that determination. Humans being what they are, some doctors may be tempted to “jump the gun” and rule out a persons chance for survival prematurely based on the direness or organ needs.
The dark side of having an open market is that those who are desperate for cash will be drawn to it, becoming yet another burden to bear placed on those in poverty.
I’m going to say something nasty here, but how ethical it is to want to live longer than you can? Don’t get me wrong, I’m the type of person that wouldn’t make the natural selection, the runt, the ill weak puppy of the litter so I know I’d like to live longer but how ethical it is for people with economical resources to “buy” health from the one in poverty?
This is a complex topic, solution should be looked up in technology not in marketing. Mother cells research would help to a solution if it’s done by the state and patents are managed the way Cuban state does. If the state pays for the researchs then they got the right to give all the advances for free to all citizens no matter how much money they have or haven’t.
Too much money involved to search for a real solution. Chemical industries are protected by protestant churchs and the scientific solutions to this remains buried under prejudism. Sad thing is that us, in the third World have to suffer from it.
The pro-abortion crowd always justifies murder of the unborn by saying that it’s the woman’s body therefore it’s her right to choose.
If we own our own bodies the way pro-abortion people always say, what’s wrong with selling what we own?
Such commerce helps people in great need and the donor makes money. In an abortion a human being is ruthlessly murdered and the woman must pay the doctor to commit the murder.
This comparison shows how the free market renders justice and how government endowed rights lead to mass murder.
If you don’t own your own body, what in the world DO you own? Of course this should be legal.
Are you saying you want my kidney? I think it should be legalised. Then again, I believe prostitution should be legalised. I don’t understand why you can pay a consenting woman to have your child legally, and then illegalise other bodily issues.
this is such a interesting topic. I haven’t decided yet, if I want to be a donor or not.
I’ve never thought about this before but it’s an interesting subject, I’ll have to think on it.
@WaitingToShrug - Haha, thank you. I think of bizarre things sometimes. I agree with everything you just said. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
@amateurprose - Thank you, I think it will be interesting, too.
@Saridactyl - Right, and we are already paying for some things, like blood and plasma (part of your blood). I would like to take the power and money away from the criminals.
@karoline1982 - Ah, not selfish, realistic! Those types of procedures aren’t to be taken lightly. My daughter received stem cells and harvesting those stem cells was a miserable, painful experience. From what I know of you, you would offer a kidney to anyone you loved, frightened or not!
@SoullFire - I also agree with everything you said. This is why I am so undecided, there are so many things to consider!
@xXxlovelylollipop -
but how ethical it is for people with economical resources to “buy” health from the one in poverty? – I completely agree. This is a difficult, complicated topic. I also agree with your ideas about focusing on scientific or artificial ways around it.
@TheSchizoidMan - Another great point, thank you!
@Kellsbella - I am with you, prostitution can be legal. And you are right on all of your points. You have brains and beauty, my dear!
@angys_coco - Thank you! Some decisions are no brainers and some are not. This one definitely is not.
@lorelei - I am curious which way you will sway!
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Such commerce helps people in great need and the donor makes money. – I agree with that! I can see your point, especially about the rights issue. If we have the right to control our body, we should have the right to sell it, too.
Interesting. Well, I’m all for donating my organs when I die. WHEN I DIE.
[Many people I know will not mark a yes for fear of not receiving life
saving care in the hospital if they mark yes. They fear insurance
companies, surgeons, and hospital administrations.]
Doctors and other medical staff shouldn’t allow anyone to die just because he/she’s an organ donor. That would be hugely unethical, to put it nicely.
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - Unethical to say the least, but a possibility! Thank you, I am a donor too – but hopefully I will wait until I die!
There are so many problems with having an open “black” market for organ donation. I personally look at disease and screening measures. If someone in poverty wants to give up a kidney in exchange for monetary gain, who is to say that the doctors would properly screen the donor to ensure that the recipient won’t get some sort of strange disease. Maybe I’m just a germophobe.
It is reported that the execution rate in China matches the availability of kidney or heart transplants in Chinese hospitals. There are horror stories. The doctors will assure you that the organs come from ordinary accident victims, but many think they’re lying.
( I’m glad to see you presenting these fascinating discussion topics, and in such a literate way. You’re the Thinking Man’s TheologiansCafe. )
I once made a Facebook status about being willing to sell my kidney. My husband’s grandma chewed me out for making a joke like that. I was only have kidding…
I am a donor. But I’d probably consider selling a kidney for enough money to pay off our debts. I know that’s pretty sad, but…you know.
No, I don’t really think they should make selling organs legal. I agree with the second expert. Why give for free what you can sell? I don’t mean that I’d feel that way, but a lot of people would. Then, not only would poor people be exploited for their organs, but poor people in need of organs might not be able to get them. I suppose if it was a third-party payer…but where would that funding come from? No, I’m sure the people in need of the transplant and their families would end up having to pay more than they already do. Poor families wouldn’t be able to afford it.
@Thatslifekid - Now that is something I didn’t consider. With other unethical and unsafe practices of harvesting black market organs I bet you’re right about the lack of adequate screening. This is a point for legalizing and making it safe for the donor and the recipient.
@yourkbear - I agree with that, too. If people quit donating and only sold their organs normal people may not be able to afford them and long life and health would be a luxury for the rich alone. Interesting thoughts, thank you.
(There are days I would sell my kidney, too!)
I think a body parts industry will flourish in the not too far feature. Currently in laboratories scientist are creating with human cell skin. From that I’ve seen the creation of ears. So, before you know it, we will have a mass production of hearts, kidneys and the works. I think this will be a great idea in the future. Desperate people do desperate things. Who is not to say what condition these body parts are in and can they transfer diseases ? Legalization of the body parts industry will regulate and protect the patient making sure that when he gets a transplant that thats all he gets with it and not some weird disease,
@we_deny_everything - I think they are lying, too. I am convinced there are many people dying unnecessarily for black market organs and I am sure they are dying in horrible ways.
Thinking man’s Theo?!? Haha, nobody can touch Dan! I just happen to think of really weird, usually grotesque things! Thank you
@catstemplar2 - I agree with everything you just said! Growing a full ear? Wow! I hadn’t heard of that one. I know they are making amazing progress on things like skin and even hearts, but I didn’t know they could manufacture something whole like an ear. Thank you!
reading the first line, and i’m off to shomewhere else.. XD
@maniacsicko - Thanks for stopping by! Next time I will have hookers and beer for you!
this is all so fascinating ethically (and i must admit somewhat ghoulish in an orwellian sense). i am picturing the poor walking around with less organs than the rest of society.
there are so many implications here. one being why should selling one’s organs be an option for making money?
just something to think about
this gonna get gross anatomically speaking fast but ask yourself if a 40 something male with failing kidneys a classic point where impotance is by necessity in play would not want a new shot at starting over…with a family of HIS own not acme. duh of course and most people instantly knee jerk that situation to mean the brown bottle flu is responsible for such a situation- I’m not in my fourties by the way this is hypothetical. next saving a life means just that- accepting their life choices and afirming them. most oh and us sales of blood our area is bonfies and the rates through them are nice nough about x to 75 bucks yet the same blood is 750 at the hospital within a tasty procceedural cost. amazing that. also blood is necessary as now it is the only way our insulin is typically made it is near impossible tot the old extacted animals kind it’s blood based now….this is amusing considering I grew up in a religion banning intake of blood my religion then wasn’t the only one so to live is now also convert or die . should it be legal. the last person to benefit it the person with the organ who is barred curently from doing so yet everyone else makes a mint- ethically speaking the answer is a no! because then likely hod of theft is great as we don’t respect the power of a signature as in enforce phoneys so hell to the no.prefer the driver’s liscense organ donor thing as at least they don’t know and in death likely never wil. now there’s family or known friends that will miraculously donate to folks in need this is so touching. there is people robbed of theirselves too.
No.
I did not know about the black market, but am not surprised. I understand one major country quit selling organs from prisoners they were executing because of public opinion.
There is no end to greed.
frank
@ANVRSADDAY - There is no end, is there? Thank you!
@lucylwrites - Thank you!
@starmanjones - Haha, so I am assuming you are a no? Thanks!
@bonmots - It is ghoulish, isn’t it? I can see the same thing, people walking around with less than a complete set of body parts!
I don’t know. It’s kind of a scary subject, one of the few subjects I’m happier with ignorance of. Another means of getting organs for donation is being worked on in labs: cymeras. Not sure I’m spelling that right but have you heard about that? There are blank spots in DNA strands where new information can be inserted within a fertilized ovum of any species. So what some labs are doing with the ovum of lab and farm animals is inserting human information into their ovum or other cells in order to grow human organs in these animals. Cows are the best subjects, but I saw a lab rat with a human ear growing out of its back once. The thing that bothers me most about this burgeouning practice is that with some species - especially cows, sheep, and dogs – the hybrized ovum can produce a whole animal that is part human and may even look it. How would it be for them born human looking without human rights? And what about the animals? Are they going to suffer for this too? Is there any way of harvesting the extra organs that have been grown in them without traumatizing and/or killing them? I’m not sure how I feel about this but I’d sure feel better about it if the organs could just be grown in test tubes, as skin is now grown in trays, without traumatizing or harming anyone.
@BoulderChristina - yes ma’am that is a no, just simply not for the ethics involved. life’s precious- I hope people will continue to give freely where they can but the business of it is likely to be far worse a deal. something as simple as other’s having too much ability to impugn my or anyone’s freedom otherwise worries me far more. as deals tend to fall through as you demonstrate but there is one argument left a person that no one disputes- why on earth would I yes such a thing that I didn’t benefit financially from? that’s about the only useful defense still onored.
I’m not sure what I think about your question, I’d have to do more research. My intuition says no. My intuition says that wouldn’t be fair. I’m tired of only the people with money getting the stuff, why should it be that way?
OK I just decided, no I don’t think selling organs should be a legal market. I realize the cons are there will be a black market, but I still don’t think it should be legal. If the mega wealthy want to be extra privileged, at least they should have to be breaking the law.
Donor match is still a major hurtle. There are a lot of folks who cannot find a donor match and the waiting list will get longer. The demand for supply cannot meet the demand. In the Asian community they have marathons searching for donor matches. I suppose the more it is publicly announced more folks will become aware and decide to donate.
There have been abuses. Foreigners have come to United States and have jumped the waiting list and gotten a transplant. Money talks, and the work involved is going to cost money.
It is my wish that folks be more generous. I suppose karma points would sort of help you in the future, but more importantly the less we are selfish, good things do come to society overall.
@BoulderChristina - you want to take out my organ when i’m drunk and too tired after all the action huh?
When I was doing my internship in India, I used to see a line of men squatting outside the lab. I always thought that they may be in line to have their blood drawn. That was not the reason though. They were all there to donate blood, and they got paid by the hospitals. This was in the mid sixties. The labs didn’t have the standards of checking for various diseases. All they needed was a “group” of blood types.
This is a great post, and the blood or organ donation is a big racketeering business around the world.
Give my knees to the needy… – John Prine
i don’t know why but i’m saying no
I am a donor on my drivers license… So if something happens they can do with my body as necessary. I, for one, think it should be legalized. I would hope by doing so both the people ‘donating’ the organs would receive proper care, as would the organs donated, and the proper protocol would be followed to ensure not just the rich receive what is needed… JMHO…
My Sisters and I had the chance to do a bone marrow transplant for our Brother when he was dealing with Leukemia. We were sent to specific labs to have the required blood drawn to see which matched him the closest. In the end, it was my Twin who was the one to donate… If I had to do it over again, I would do it in a heartbeat. There were no questions asked. This was my Brother. Of course we were all right there.
I would never sell any of my organs. God gave them to me. I would either give them away, or not part with them at all.
I really do not know. I’ve read some accounts where people were hurried off of life support right in front of the families, when the families felt there was reasonable cause to wait. the hospital staff wanted to make sure the organ was fresh for harvesting. harvesting – what a term.
also, using an unrelated issue as an example: several years back they legalized political parties and candidates to be able to raise as much money, and to be given as much money, as they possibly could, because this is a free country and it seemed unconstitutional to keep someone from giving or receiving any amount. it seems good, in theory. now, however, it’s a freaking money-hungry trash-throwing free for all, where they spend more and more money digging up dirt on other candidates and putting it on tv and calling our homes. filthy amounts of money being thrown away on campaigns that could be better used on altruistic endeavors. it’s a crying shame.
still, why not let people do what they want with their own organs? they own their own bodies, don’t they?
so, in theory it seems good to legalize public sale of organs, but I’m not sure it would help anything in the long run. it’s sad, how humans are.
just some thoughts ….
i recently saw an interview of someone who wrote a book about how we all lie. now i know that is not the case but most of us do. this also includes lying to ourselves. a point he made is our honesty is tested more the closer a decision to be honest or to lie comes to money. selling organs is not going to become safe simply by opening the “free market” without having an army of regulatory police on the beat. if someone is willing to pay enough for a kidney there will be some willing to let that biker die when he could have lived.
i think there is something yet deeper here though: our collective ignorance of life and death. billions upon billions have died before us and yet we are still afraid to die in spite of death’s inevitability. i’d rather live 1 day unafraid of death than 90 years afraid of death. i would also rather die than rob someone younger of a fuller life just to give me a few more years.
Like you, this is one of those rare things upon which I have absolutely no clue what my opinion is.
@WaitingToShrug - very interesting take on it
I would gladly give to save someone I love but to sell pieces off no… I remember an Xfile where they were farming organs and it gave me nightmare I am such a wimp
@Thatslifekid , I agree…how do you know you aren’t going to get some sort of infection. Are these doctors real doctors? I mean what if they get a flesh eating bacteria that causes the donor to have to give up all their arms and legs like that girl in North Carolina who got a flesh eating bacteria from cutting her leg on a homemade zip line and going into a body of water that had the bacteria? Or like some kind of freakish bacteria…ugghhh it freaks me out.
I think if there’s something people are willing to pay for there will always be people willing to sell it on a black market. You can’t stop it, only restrict it.
I think it should be legal, but purely through hospitals, and every donor should be vetted for disease, and to ensure that their organs are in working order. Because, after all, if we can’t do what we want with our own organs, we don’t even own our bodies.
@Ampbreia - Wow, I hadn’t heard of that. You make a good point though, what if they look human, how could we not offer human rights? Terrifying and amazing at the same time. Thank you!
@DivaJyoti - Thank you! My gut said no at first too, then yes, then no.. I am still undecided
@PPhilip - Matching is a big deal, and you are right, we need to be less selfish. There was an announcement of a young man looking for a donor match because he was in desperate need of a kidney. I considered getting tested, but I was afraid of donating. I kept thinking, what if someone I know and love needs a donation and I gave mine to a stranger? I would probably still make the same choice, but I haven’t forgotten him and feel bad he never found his match. (That I know of) I have this nagging thought of “What if I had been a match?”
@maniacsicko - Do you mind?
@ZSA_MD - That is so frightening. Yes, it is a racketeering business, but I don’t see many ways around it. We had a half million dollars of insurance for organ transplants. Though we only had a stem cell transplant, we blew through that half million in approximately 3 months. I wonder how people do it when it is something major like a kidney, heart or liver.
@Ricardo98 - Ah, you’re such a giver!
@f5ye_angel5 - Fair enough!
@MzSilver - After sleeping on it, I think that is the way I am leaning, too. That was good of you and your twin to help your brother but it doesn’t surprise me in the least. You have a giving soul that way.
@RighteousBruin - You are a very giving person, and this doesn’t surprise me at all.
@plantinthewindow - I agree, in theory is rarely how it turns out in real life.
@TheSutraDude - I’ve thought of that scenario too, of the biker that dies because he didn’t receive life saving care. I also agree with what you said about life and death. My mother needed a heart, but she is so small at 4’10 and 85 lbs that she would have needed the heart of a child. She refused to get on the list knowing that the heart that saved her would have been from a child that lost his/her life.
@GodlessLiberal - Every time I think I have decided I change my mind.
@SisterMae - I remember that one too!
@Nushirox2 - Great point!
@daydreams_nightmares - I am pretty sure that is my take on it, too.
@BoulderChristina - Your mother was of truly noble character especially considering it’s one thing to say one would make that choice as is what I did in my comment but quite another to actually make that choice when faced with it.
@TheSutraDude - We were all angry with her decision at the time, but have respected her choice and am proud of her now.
I’m a donor but doubt that my organs are of much value. Seems they want young men killed in and accident. Your topics keep getting more and more provocative.
@vexations - Provocative or macabre?
Provocative AND macabre. Hope you are having a good weekend. It is a wonderful day here and just back from the mountains. @BoulderChristina -
@vexations - That sounds great, Bill. I have been sick for two days with an abscess tooth that has made me run fever and generally be miserable, so I will leave the mountains for you this weekend
get better soon. Hope you have some good meds. @BoulderChristina -
I saw a documentary recently which talked about us trying to extend our lives, longer and longer. we can’t live forever. the more of us live longer, the more we will suffer because of lack of space or resources or money or food, etc. when we look at it, we are already eternal, and death is a great birth back into the life we are already living, anyway. this life, here, is merely a mental pitstop of lessons, or so it seems. I think we should see death as a very wise thing. we live, we learn, we love, we die back into the everything that we already are.
I don’t need or want organs. I’m ready to go whenever I go. and, at the expense of seeming uncaring, I don’t want to help others grasp hungrily at extending a life that will still have its many, many complications, especially those that come with having to constantly keep a transplanted organ from being rejected by the body.
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@TheSutraDude - I hear you.
I am unsure where I stand also. My biggest concern is for the victimization of the homeless or poor or others who tragically may be coerced or taken advantage of. I don’t know how to avoid that either way. :/
This is such an interesting topic and I’m on the fence about it too. I know that women who donate eggs get paid a considerable amount of money to give the gift of life, so part of me thinks that it should be legal for people to be compensated for their organs if they are healthy enough to give.
But part of me doesn’t think it’s a good idea. People would be lining up to sell their organs without really understanding or caring about the risks involved. They just want the money. What happens when the money is gone? Are they going to be happy with what they did or are they going to live a life full of regret?
I think this is something that should be studied and researched. Shoving an organ is a huge decision and money may inhibit the rational thought processes of donors.
@TidbitsTadbits - You just spoke every word that I thought! I agree!